Comma splices and run on sentences

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Should I fullstop here. well I don’t know I’m gonna ask you that because you’ve got to start making your own decisions right but why would we put a full-stop here because we want a split a sentence because usually gets mixed right plus plus you’re like it’s an example so maybe we do okay so look I think I think you’re on the right track okay so simply put okay what you wrote is what we call a comma splice okay the first independent clause is this can be advantageous for books because they are easily accessible that’s an independent clause okay now the second clause let’s say you wanted to learn about the American Civil War okay that’s a that is an independ entcause as well the rule here is and let me emphasize this again the rule is you may not put a comma to join two independent clauses this is called a comma splice alright you may not do that it is illegal it is ilegalno…ne možes to name was your stole okay alright and and and the difficult thing about this concept is in Croatian this is acceptable you can use the comma here there everywhere you know it’s uh it’s common practice you know hey you know what do we do let’s just put a comma there yeah well you know what unfortunately punctuation in is is a bit it’s it’s a bit specific yeah well there are more rules and with certain aspects of it if the comma is a very misused thing in punctuation so the rule simply put you cannot join two independent clauses only by a comma now you can do so by a comma if you put a conjunction after such as and or so so let’s say okay you could do that I could say literally this can be advantageous for books because they are easily accessible comma so let’s say now I wouldn’t do that I would just put a full-stop look we want to make our writing very very interpretable intelligible very easy to read very concise we don’t want to get too too crazy okay let’s just keep it simple right so full stop here will be great okay now oh boy moving on let’s say you wanted to learn about the American Civil War here we go bada bing bada boom now now can you please put the mic closer to your …. thank you yery much sir better around two years ago um excuse me wrote we were working for Mature also okay we were just I know but there was a strict number of sentences you can use what do you mean there was like three cents for intro three for conclusion and then he was like let’s say seven six four first body parts and six for a second body part something like that okay and and there I got the idea of connecting the sentence sentences because I had to like put the say maybe a like with two ideas in sentence for example okay no okay so so that’s why I’m kind of just fusing everything with a comma yeah if you yeah it’s yeah why not right okay so however there are other ways we I’ve got some good comma practice that we can do about dealing with comma splices and how to join independent clauses together because we do have alternatives okay not only with the full stop but there are the one of the ways I love doing it is with a semicolon okay so here’s the the very simple explanation okay if we have two independent clauses and they are very closely connected for example the second of the two or the latter of the two is very it’s more like an extension of the first you can use a semicolon okay you know what a semicolon is so you can do that okay to combine two independent clauses together if they are very closely related and the latter Clause is more or less of an extension of the first it’s you in Soviets okay you can do that so maybe even in this case let’s say you wanted to learn about the American Civil War simply calling it is both easier and cheaper to just open a book and read about it okay you could do that however a full stop where a comma is is okay if you don’t want to get too exotic so okay also the great thing about books or learning from books is that they are objectively written therefore we can learn exactly how it was now here is a beautiful example of how we should properly use a semicolon now you will not your teachers probably don’t even know this rule i garand well I don’t guarantee you they might they might know but probably not because most times non-natives excuse me native speakers and even publishers don’t use this very it’s not an esoteric rule that’s it’s a rule punctuation but before therefore however in other verbs excuse me other words of this type we use a semicolon use a semicolon before therefore okay go to therefore and use the semicolon alright and then after therefore use a comma now put a space all right yep put it put his space yeah comma space yes this is a beautiful example of how we can use a semicolon with words such as however therefore thus thus therefore however okay or words of contrast okay remember this okay you might impress someone or you might even teach someone something because what they would do is they would probably check this and validate it that this is the proper way we use a semicolon with words like therefore okay we use a semi-coma for it then a comma after and then our main clause okay you

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Intro

Žudnja Hrvata za zarezima, i sukob koji predstavljaju sa engleskom gramatikom – Tajna ljubavna veza razotkrivena!

U engleskom, najbolje je pričati kratko i slatko. Trebali bi uvijek pričati sa jasnoćom I konciznošću. Nastavljanje rečenice može dovesti do zabune i gramatičke pogreške. U hrvatskom, uobičajena je praksa da se rečenice nastavljaju sve dok možemo držati dah. Pisci kao Miroslav Krleža su zloglasni po tome, npr. u sljedeće dvije rečenice:

Naše srce, kada je već o srcu riječ, nije vodovodna
cijev ni rezervoar, dok gospoda ordinarijusi i
primarijusi, pušeći cigarete i pijući konjak, to
ne razumiju, jer ta gospoda učenjaci u životu
nisu pročitala ni jednog jedinog feljtona, ni stiha,
ti mudraci pojma uopće nemaju da je poezija
nerazmjerno važnija od njihove arteriosklerozne
hidrauličke mudrosti, oni puše i piju, a nama
brane cigarete i alkohol, dakako napajajući
nas mlijekom od tuberkuloznih krava da bi nas,
s jedne strane imunizirali, a s druge, zarazili
tuberkulozom.

Gospoda pojma nemaju da je ljudsko srce
svileni barjak, i da ono osjeća svaki najneviniji
dašak zefira, pa i telefonske žice pjevaju na
vjetru kao harfe, a ljudsko srce nije samo
telefonska žica, ono je čitav orkestar
od harfa i cimbala, od violina i truba,
naše srce pjeva trijumfalno i raste ritmom
simfonične poeme, a nije hidrant, kao što misle
ovi vodovodni majstori, nego – suluda oluja od
tisuća i tisuća instrumenata, a za ustalasalo
more ovog našeg suludog koncerta
uho mnogopoštovane gospode medicine je gluho.

Nažalost po Hrvate, to nije moguće u engleskom. Zarez, o kojem ćemo malo više razgovarati, nije dio koji se slobodno koristi u nastavljanju rečenica. Gornji odlomak je primjer nečega što zovemo rečenični niz. U ovom blogu promotrit ćemo rečenične nizove, uključujući Hrvatima drag ‘the comma-slice’ i   razrješiti ih sa pravilnim alternativama.

 Rečenični nizovi u engleskom su gramatički netočni; zvuče jako loše i trebali bi ih iskorijeniti iz upotrebe. Nažalost, računalni gramatički provjerenici nisu dobri u identificiranju takvih nizova. Oni će prepoznati podjelu zarezom (dvije nezavisne rečenice razdijeljene zarezom), ali su zadovoljni ako nema interpunkcije između rečenica.)

Rečenični niz (nekad nazvana i “spojena rečenica”) ima najmanje dva dijela, od kojih oba mogu stajati sami (drugim riječima, dvije nezavisne rečenice), ali su ta dva dijela ‘zaljepljena’ umjesto da su propisno spojena. Pogledajte i dio koji opisuje što se može dogoditi između dvije nezavisne rečenice.

Duljina rečenice nema nikakve veze s tim je li rečenica rečenični niz ili nije; biti ‘run-on rečenica’ znači imati strukturnu manu koja može pogoditi I vrlo kratke rečenice.

The sun is high, put on some sunblock.  

Sunce je jako, stavi kremu za sunčanje.

Krajnje duga rečenica može biti teška za izgovorit, ali može biti strukturno ispravno. Kliknite ovdje da vidite rečenicu s 239 riječi koja je savršeno ispravna (strukturno).

Kada su dvije nezavisne rečenice povezane samo s zarezom, tvore rečenični niz koja se naziva ‘podjela zarezom’. Gornji primjer (o kremi za sunčanje) je podjela zarezom. Kada koristimo zarez da povežemo dvije nezavisne rečenice, uz njega mora stajati i veznik (i, ali, za, niti, već, ili, tako da

Rečenični nizovi se događaju u sljedećim okolnostima:

  1. Kada druga nezavisna rečenica daje zapovijed ili direktivu na temelju onoga što je rečeno u prvoj rečenici.

This next chapter has a lot of difficult information in it, you should start studying right away. 

 Sljedeće poglavlje ima puno teških informacija, trebao/trebala/trebali bi odmah počet učiti.

Mogli bi stavit točku gdje je zarez i počet novu rečenicu. Točka-zarez bi isto bila dobra opcija.

This next chapter has a lot of difficult information in it. You should start studying right away.  

Sljedeće poglavlje ima puno teških informacija, Trebao/Trebala/Trebali bi odmah počet učiti.

This next chapter has a lot of difficult information in it; you should start studying right away.

Sljedeće poglavlje ima puno teških informacija; trebao/trebala/trebali bi odmah počet učiti.

Kada su dvije nezavisne rečenice povezane prijelaznim izrazom(vezničkim prilogom) kao međutim, povrh toga, štovi

Mr. Nguyen has sent his four children to ivy-league colleges, however, he has sacrificed his health working day and night in that dusty bakery. Gospodin

Nguyen je poslao četvero svoje djece na elitne fakultete, međutim, žrtvovao je svoje zdravlje radeći dan i noć u toj prašnjavoj pekari.

Ponovno, gdje taj prvi zarez stoji, mogli smo koristiti točku i početi novu rečenicu ili koristiti točku-zarez.

Mr. Nguyen has sent his four children to ivy-league colleges. However, he has sacrificed his health working day and night in that dusty bakery.

Gospodin Nguyen je poslao četvero svoje djece na elitne fakultete. Međutim, žrtvovao je svoje zdravlje radeći dan i noć u toj prašnjavoj pekari.

Mr. Nguyen has sent his four children to ivy-league colleges; however, he has sacrificed his health working day and night in that dusty bakery.

Gospodin Nguyen je poslao četvero svoje djece na elitne fakultete; međutim, žrtvovao je svoje zdravlje radeći dan i noć u toj prašnjavoj pekari.

Kada druga nezavisna rečenice ima zamjenicu koja je povezuje s prvom nezavisnom rečenicom.

This computer doesn’t make sense to me, it came without a manual.

This computer doesn’t make sense to me; it came without a manual.

Most of those computers in the Learning Assistance Center are broken already, this proves my point about American computer manufacturers.

Most of those computers in the Learning Assistance Center are broken already.  This proves my point about American computer manufacturers.

Comma splice practice (run on sentences)

 

More comma practice (general comma rules)

 

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